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2017-12-09T10:00:46Z

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	== Trash Nothing ==		== Trash Nothing ==

	Q Can Trashnothing members see or use FD settings Ie settings and or my posts. I can see trashnothing members in FD using support tools.		Q Can Trashnothing members see or use FD settings Ie settings and or my posts. I can see trashnothing members in FD using support tools.<br>
	A No, they can't. We don't know their real email and so can’t link them together, and most wouldn't know how to log in.		A No, they can't. We don't know their real email and so can’t link them together, and most wouldn't know how to log in.
	There are members who have two separate memberships, one with TN and one with FD though so know how it works.		There are members who have two separate memberships, one with TN and one with FD though so know how it works.



	== Twitter ==		== Twitter ==

Dorothyjeanquinn: /* Mod Tools */ a

2017-12-09T09:59:53Z

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Dorothyjeanquinn: /* Mod Tools */ a

2017-12-09T09:56:32Z

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	We started seeing this warning on Mod Tools:-		We started seeing this warning on Mod Tools:-
	‘Some pages are not being pre-rendered. This may affect Google search results. Please make sure the Geeks are aware.’		‘Some pages are not being pre-rendered. This may affect Google search results. Please make sure the Geeks are aware.’
	Our website is a single-page application. When you go to the site all our Javascript code is loaded, and then it updates what you see automatically. This puts less load on the servers and makes things feel quicker. Search engines fetch various links from our site too, and most of them (except probably Google) won't run our code, they just index the HTML . So for the main pages, and individual groups, things that you can see when you're not logged in - we have a job that regularly fetches them as though it was a browser, and stores what it fetched. That's "pre-rendering", which is a term made up. So if you're logged out, we will serve the prerender copy up first (so it can be indexed) then load the code and update it. That's why if you're logged out and you visit a page, you'll see it load, then flicker (and maybe change a bit) This check is a warning that it's not keeping up.		Our website is a single-page application. When you go to the site all our Javascript code is loaded, and then it updates what you see automatically. This puts less load on the servers and makes things feel quicker. Search engines fetch various links from our site too, and most of them (except probably Google) won't run our code, they just index the HTML . So for the main pages, and individual groups, things that you can see when you're not logged in - we have a job that regularly fetches them as though it was a browser, and stores what it fetched. That's "pre-rendering", which is a term made up. So if you're logged out, we will serve the prerender copy up first (so it can be indexed) then load the code and update it. That's why if you're logged out and you visit a page, you'll see it load, then flicker (and maybe change a bit) This check is a warning that it's not keeping up.<br)
	Q, I noticed a few days ago that a group had disappeared from my list, all of the others are OK. Is there anything that I can do?<br)		Q, I noticed a few days ago that a group had disappeared from my list, all of the others are OK. Is there anything that I can do?<br)

	A Check you are still a mod on the Yahoo group, and that you are logged into modtools with the same email. If so synch the membership list. If this does not work and there is no one to promote you then ask Edward.		A Check you are still a mod on the Yahoo group, and that you are logged into modtools with the same email. If so synch the membership list. If this does not work and there is no one to promote you then ask Edward.<br)
	Q. Could we have a figure for total group members under ‘Approve Members’ ?<br)		Q. Could we have a figure for total group members under ‘Approve Members’ ?<br)
	A Yes I will add that.<br)		A Yes I will add that.<br)
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	A It was a fairly limited response, and no strong majority for making the change. A moderator on Native can't remove an Owner or promote.		A It was a fairly limited response, and no strong majority for making the change. A moderator on Native can't remove an Owner or promote.
	<br)		<br)

	== Trash Nothing ==		== Trash Nothing ==

Dorothyjeanquinn: /* Mod Tools */ a

2017-12-09T09:55:19Z

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Dorothyjeanquinn: /* Mod Tools */ a

2017-12-09T09:50:51Z

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	We started seeing this warning on Mod Tools:-		We started seeing this warning on Mod Tools:-
	‘Some pages are not being pre-rendered. This may affect Google search results. Please make sure the Geeks are aware.’		‘Some pages are not being pre-rendered. This may affect Google search results. Please make sure the Geeks are aware.’
	Our website is a single-page application. When you go to the site all our Javascript code is loaded, and then it updates what you see automatically. This puts less load on the servers and makes things feel quicker. Search engines fetch various links from our site too, and most of them (except probably Google) won't run our code, they just index the HTML . So for the main pages, and individual groups, things that you can see when you're not logged in - we have a job that regularly fetches them as though it was a browser, and stores what it fetched. That's "pre-rendering", which is a term made up. So if you're logged out, we will serve the prerender copy up first (so it can be indexed) then load the code and update it. That's why if you're logged out and you visit a page, you'll see it load, then flicker (and maybe change a bit) This check is a warning that it's not keeping up.		Our website is a single-page application. When you go to the site all our Javascript code is loaded, and then it updates what you see automatically. This puts less load on the servers and makes things feel quicker. Search engines fetch various links from our site too, and most of them (except probably Google) won't run our code, they just index the HTML . So for the main pages, and individual groups, things that you can see when you're not logged in - we have a job that regularly fetches them as though it was a browser, and stores what it fetched. That's "pre-rendering", which is a term made up. So if you're logged out, we will serve the prerender copy up first (so it can be indexed) then load the code and update it. That's why if you're logged out and you visit a page, you'll see it load, then flicker (and maybe change a bit) This check is a warning that it's not keeping up.<br)
	Q, I noticed a few days ago that a group had disappeared from my list, all of the others are OK. Is there anything that I can do?		Q. I noticed a few days ago that a group had disappeared from my list, all of the others are OK. Is there anything that I can do a href="$settingsurl">Settings</a><br)
			A Check you are still a mod on the Yahoo group, and that you are logged into modtools with the same email. If so synch the membership list. If this does not work and there is no one to promote you then ask Edward.<br)
	A Check you are still a mod on the Yahoo group, and that you are logged into modtools with the same email. If so synch the membership list. If this does not work and there is no one to promote you then ask Edward.		Q. Could we have a figure for total group members under ‘Approve Members’ ?<br)
	Q. Could we have a figure for total group members under ‘Approve Members’ ?		A Yes I will add that.<br)
	A Yes I will add that.		Q. I would like a combined total of members. They are good numbers to quote in publicity or interviews also numbers do show how successful a group is.<br)
	Q. I would like a combined total of members. They are good numbers to quote in publicity or interviews also numbers do show how successful a group is.		A Not really this would not be a true reflection. We generally quote 2.6 million members, and the best measure of your group is the Activity or Weights graphs on the FD stats. The membership number is complicated. We used to add up all the Yahoo group memberships (the number of email addresses on the group). This double-counted, if you had two memberships, and if someone is on multiple groups, then they could be counted as many. We know people freegle on behalf of other people and as we have no way to measure that it would offset the extra members to some extent.
	A Not really this would not be a true reflection. We generally quote 2.6 million members, and the best measure of your group is the Activity or Weights graphs on the FD stats. The membership number is complicated. We used to add up all the Yahoo group memberships (the number of email addresses on the group). This double-counted, if you had two memberships, and if someone is on multiple groups, then they could be counted as many. We know people freegle on behalf of other people and as we have no way to measure that it would offset the extra members to some extent.		On FD the membership number for an individual group joins together different emails and counts them as one except if they also use Trashnothing, so is lower than the corresponding Yahoo group. <br)
	On FD the membership number for an individual group joins together different emails and counts them as one except if they also use Trashnothing, so is lower than the corresponding Yahoo group.		Q. We have had a new moderator join us. As we are also still on Yahoo (but that will change!) I felt that it was useful to make her a moderator rather than an owner as the rest of us are. On ModTools, once someone is a moderator then they can do anything with a group and its members. On YahooGroups, a moderator can be given restricted permissions, eg, only to deal with messages/pending messages or only to deal with members/pending members. Could we restrict permissions on ModTools please? I checked and it could be done with some work. Is it something we would want?<br)
	Q. We have had a new moderator join us. As we are also still on Yahoo (but that will change!) I felt that it was useful to make her a moderator rather than an owner as the rest of us are. On ModTools, once someone is a moderator then they can do anything with a group and its members. On YahooGroups, a moderator can be given restricted permissions, eg, only to deal with messages/pending messages or only to deal with members/pending members. Could we restrict permissions on ModTools please? I checked and it could be done with some work. Is it something we would want?		A It was a fairly limited response, and no strong majority for making the change. A moderator on Native can't remove an Owner or promote.<br)
	A It was a fairly limited response, and no strong majority for making the change. A moderator on Native can't remove an Owner or promote.

	== Trash Nothing ==		== Trash Nothing ==

Dorothyjeanquinn: a

2017-12-09T09:41:11Z

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	One way to help make groups feel more local and friendly is to show who the mods are. Many members probably don't even realise that there are local volunteers, so we now have a setting in ModTools to control whether or not you are shown as a mod. This defaults to not showing you - some mods might want to remain anonymous. You'll see a pop-up asking you to set it, and you can also set it from Settings.		One way to help make groups feel more local and friendly is to show who the mods are. Many members probably don't even realise that there are local volunteers, so we now have a setting in ModTools to control whether or not you are shown as a mod. This defaults to not showing you - some mods might want to remain anonymous. You'll see a pop-up asking you to set it, and you can also set it from Settings.

	We started seeing this warning on Mod Tools.		We started seeing this warning on Mod Tools:-
	‘Some pages are not being pre-rendered. This may affect Google search results. Please make sure the Geeks are aware.’		‘Some pages are not being pre-rendered. This may affect Google search results. Please make sure the Geeks are aware.’
	Our website is a single-page application. When you go to the site all our Javascript code is loaded, and then it updates what you see automatically. This puts less load on the servers and makes things feel quicker. Search engines fetch various links from our site too, and most of them (except probably Google) won't run our code, they just index the HTML . So for the main pages, and individual groups, things that you can see when you're not logged in - we have a job that regularly fetches them as though it was a browser, and stores what it fetched. That's "pre-rendering", which is a term made up. So if you're logged out, we will serve the prerender copy up first (so it can be indexed) then load the code and update it. That's why if you're logged out and you visit a page, you'll see it load, then flicker (and maybe change a bit) This check is a warning that it's not keeping up.		Our website is a single-page application. When you go to the site all our Javascript code is loaded, and then it updates what you see automatically. This puts less load on the servers and makes things feel quicker. Search engines fetch various links from our site too, and most of them (except probably Google) won't run our code, they just index the HTML . So for the main pages, and individual groups, things that you can see when you're not logged in - we have a job that regularly fetches them as though it was a browser, and stores what it fetched. That's "pre-rendering", which is a term made up. So if you're logged out, we will serve the prerender copy up first (so it can be indexed) then load the code and update it. That's why if you're logged out and you visit a page, you'll see it load, then flicker (and maybe change a bit) This check is a warning that it's not keeping up.

Dorothyjeanquinn: /* Mod Tools */ a

2017-12-06T19:13:44Z

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	One way to help make groups feel more local and friendly is to show who the mods are. Many members probably don't even realise that there are local volunteers, so we now have a setting in ModTools to control whether or not you are shown as a mod. This defaults to not showing you - some mods might want to remain anonymous. You'll see a pop-up asking you to set it, and you can also set it from Settings.		One way to help make groups feel more local and friendly is to show who the mods are. Many members probably don't even realise that there are local volunteers, so we now have a setting in ModTools to control whether or not you are shown as a mod. This defaults to not showing you - some mods might want to remain anonymous. You'll see a pop-up asking you to set it, and you can also set it from Settings.

	We started seeing this warning on Mod Tools.:		We started seeing this warning on Mod Tools.
	‘Some pages are not being pre-rendered. This may affect Google search results. Please make sure the Geeks are aware.’		‘Some pages are not being pre-rendered. This may affect Google search results. Please make sure the Geeks are aware.’
	Our website is a single-page application. When you go to the site all our Javascript code is loaded, and then it updates what you see automatically. This puts less load on the servers and makes things feel quicker. Search engines fetch various links from our site too, and most of them (except probably Google) won't run our code, they just index the HTML . So for the main pages, and individual groups, things that you can see when you're not logged in - we have a job that regularly fetches them as though it was a browser, and stores what it fetched. That's "pre-rendering", which is a term made up. So if you're logged out, we will serve the prerender copy up first (so it can be indexed) then load the code and update it. That's why if you're logged out and you visit a page, you'll see it load, then flicker (and maybe change a bit) This check is a warning that it's not keeping up.		Our website is a single-page application. When you go to the site all our Javascript code is loaded, and then it updates what you see automatically. This puts less load on the servers and makes things feel quicker. Search engines fetch various links from our site too, and most of them (except probably Google) won't run our code, they just index the HTML . So for the main pages, and individual groups, things that you can see when you're not logged in - we have a job that regularly fetches them as though it was a browser, and stores what it fetched. That's "pre-rendering", which is a term made up. So if you're logged out, we will serve the prerender copy up first (so it can be indexed) then load the code and update it. That's why if you're logged out and you visit a page, you'll see it load, then flicker (and maybe change a bit) This check is a warning that it's not keeping up.

Dorothyjeanquinn: /* Direct. */

2017-12-06T19:10:37Z

Direct.

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	Q. We have received many lovely "thanks for all you do" emails but we've also had two very angry "stop sending me emails or I'll report you for harassment" ones. It seems they've been turning off emails by clicking the link and adding ranty text to the top which would make it obvious that they had issues. Is it possible to copy those emails with text back to the group or maybe have another link at the bottom with a link to "leave the group"? <br>		Q. We have received many lovely "thanks for all you do" emails but we've also had two very angry "stop sending me emails or I'll report you for harassment" ones. It seems they've been turning off emails by clicking the link and adding ranty text to the top which would make it obvious that they had issues. Is it possible to copy those emails with text back to the group or maybe have another link at the bottom with a link to "leave the group"? <br>

	A The first would generate a lot of unnecessary mail to mods , I will add		A The first would generate a lot of unnecessary mail to mods , I will add the paragraph shown below
	<p>You can change which other emails you receive from <a href="$settingsurl">Settings</a> or leave groups from <a href="$unsuburl">here</a>.</p> on the mails,<br>		<p>You can change which other emails you receive from <a href="$settingsurl">Settings</a> or leave groups from <a href="$unsuburl">here</a>.</p> on the mails,<br>

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	A They are being sent to him, and received by Talk Talk. I assume he has checked his spam? He could try putting our email in his contacts, failing that he can try TalkTalk although they are not very responsive to queries. He may have to view posts on our website if he has not got another email he can use. <br>		A They are being sent to him, and received by Talk Talk. I assume he has checked his spam? He could try putting our email in his contacts, failing that he can try TalkTalk although they are not very responsive to queries. He may have to view posts on our website if he has not got another email he can use. <br>

	Chat
			== Chat ==

	Q. There have been complaints of the Chat function being slow to show what you have typed.<br>		Q. There have been complaints of the Chat function being slow to show what you have typed.<br>
	A A possible fix has been put in, please let the Geeks know if you still see it.<br>		A A possible fix has been put in, please let the Geeks know if you still see it.<br>
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	A Here's the thread covering it.<br>		A Here's the thread covering it.<br>
	https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Freegle-Tech/conversations/topics/23275		https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Freegle-Tech/conversations/topics/23275


	== Volunteer feature. ==		== Volunteer feature. ==

Dorothyjeanquinn: a

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	A No they can join via the App and use it to Find and join other groups.<br>		A No they can join via the App and use it to Find and join other groups.<br>

	Mod Tools
			== Mod Tools ==


	One way to help make groups feel more local and friendly is to show who the mods are. Many members probably don't even realise that there are local volunteers, so we now have a setting in ModTools to control whether or not you are shown as a mod. This defaults to not showing you - some mods might want to remain anonymous. You'll see a pop-up asking you to set it, and you can also set it from Settings.		One way to help make groups feel more local and friendly is to show who the mods are. Many members probably don't even realise that there are local volunteers, so we now have a setting in ModTools to control whether or not you are shown as a mod. This defaults to not showing you - some mods might want to remain anonymous. You'll see a pop-up asking you to set it, and you can also set it from Settings.
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	A It was a fairly limited response, and no strong majority for making the change. A moderator on Native can't remove an Owner or promote.		A It was a fairly limited response, and no strong majority for making the change. A moderator on Native can't remove an Owner or promote.

	Trash Nothing		== Trash Nothing ==

	Q Can Trashnothing members see or use FD settings Ie settings and or my posts. I can see trashnothing members in FD using support tools.		Q Can Trashnothing members see or use FD settings Ie settings and or my posts. I can see trashnothing members in FD using support tools.
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	One way to help make groups feel more local and friendly is to show who the mods are. Many members probably don't even realise that there are local volunteers, so we now have a setting in ModTools to control whether or not you are shown as a mod. This defaults to not showing you - some mods might want to remain anonymous. You'll see a pop-up asking you to set it, and you can also set it from Settings.		One way to help make groups feel more local and friendly is to show who the mods are. Many members probably don't even realise that there are local volunteers, so we now have a setting in ModTools to control whether or not you are shown as a mod. This defaults to not showing you - some mods might want to remain anonymous. You'll see a pop-up asking you to set it, and you can also set it from Settings.<br>

	We started seeing this warning on Mod Tools:-		We started seeing this warning on Mod Tools:-
	‘Some pages are not being pre-rendered. This may affect Google search results. Please make sure the Geeks are aware.’		‘Some pages are not being pre-rendered. This may affect Google search results. Please make sure the Geeks are aware.’
	Our website is a single-page application. When you go to the site all our Javascript code is loaded, and then it updates what you see automatically. This puts less load on the servers and makes things feel quicker. Search engines fetch various links from our site too, and most of them (except probably Google) won't run our code, they just index the HTML . So for the main pages, and individual groups, things that you can see when you're not logged in - we have a job that regularly fetches them as though it was a browser, and stores what it fetched. That's "pre-rendering", which is a term made up. So if you're logged out, we will serve the prerender copy up first (so it can be indexed) then load the code and update it. That's why if you're logged out and you visit a page, you'll see it load, then flicker (and maybe change a bit) This check is a warning that it's not keeping up.<br)		Our website is a single-page application. When you go to the site all our Javascript code is loaded, and then it updates what you see automatically. This puts less load on the servers and makes things feel quicker. Search engines fetch various links from our site too, and most of them (except probably Google) won't run our code, they just index the HTML . So for the main pages, and individual groups, things that you can see when you're not logged in - we have a job that regularly fetches them as though it was a browser, and stores what it fetched. That's "pre-rendering", which is a term made up. So if you're logged out, we will serve the prerender copy up first (so it can be indexed) then load the code and update it. That's why if you're logged out and you visit a page, you'll see it load, then flicker (and maybe change a bit) This check is a warning that it's not keeping up.<br>
	Q, I noticed a few days ago that a group had disappeared from my list, all of the others are OK. Is there anything that I can do?<br)		Q. I noticed a few days ago that a group had disappeared from my list, all of the others are OK. Is there anything that I can do?<br>

	A Check you are still a mod on the Yahoo group, and that you are logged into modtools with the same email. If so synch the membership list. If this does not work and there is no one to promote you then ask Edward.<br)		A Check you are still a mod on the Yahoo group, and that you are logged into modtools with the same email. If so synch the membership list. If this does not work and there is no one to promote you then ask Edward.<br>
	Q. Could we have a figure for total group members under ‘Approve Members’ ?<br)		Q. Could we have a figure for total group members under ‘Approve Members’ ?<br>
	A Yes I will add that.<br)		A Yes I will add that.<br>
	Q. I would like a combined total of members. They are good numbers to quote in publicity or interviews also numbers do show how successful a group is. <br)		Q. I would like a combined total of members. They are good numbers to quote in publicity or interviews also numbers do show how successful a group is. <br>
	A Not really this would not be a true reflection. We generally quote 2.6 million members, and the best measure of your group is the Activity or Weights graphs on the FD stats. The membership number is complicated. We used to add up all the Yahoo group memberships (the number of email addresses on the group). This double-counted, if you had two memberships, and if someone is on multiple groups, then they could be counted as many. We know people freegle on behalf of other people and as we have no way to measure that it would offset the extra members to some extent.		A Not really this would not be a true reflection. We generally quote 2.6 million members, and the best measure of your group is the Activity or Weights graphs on the FD stats. The membership number is complicated. We used to add up all the Yahoo group memberships (the number of email addresses on the group). This double-counted, if you had two memberships, and if someone is on multiple groups, then they could be counted as many. We know people freegle on behalf of other people and as we have no way to measure that it would offset the extra members to some extent.
	On FD the membership number for an individual group joins together different emails and counts them as one except if they also use Trashnothing, so is lower than the corresponding Yahoo group. <br)		On FD the membership number for an individual group joins together different emails and counts them as one except if they also use Trashnothing, so is lower than the corresponding Yahoo group. <br>
	Q. We have had a new moderator join us. As we are also still on Yahoo (but that will change!) I felt that it was useful to make her a moderator rather than an owner as the rest of us are. On ModTools, once someone is a moderator then they can do anything with a group and its members. On ~~YahooGroups~~, a moderator can be given restricted permissions, eg, only to deal with messages/pending messages or only to deal with members/pending members. Could we restrict permissions on ModTools please? I checked and it could be done with some work. Is it something we would want?<br)		Q. We have had a new moderator join us. As we are also still on Yahoo (but that will change!) I felt that it was useful to make her a moderator rather than an owner as the rest of us are. On ModTools, once someone is a moderator then they can do anything with a group and its members. On Yahoo Groups, a moderator can be given restricted permissions, eg, only to deal with messages/pending messages or only to deal with members/pending members. Could we restrict permissions on ModTools please? I checked and it could be done with some work. Is it something we would want?<br>
	A It was a fairly limited response, and no strong majority for making the change. A moderator on Native can't remove an Owner or promote.		A It was a fairly limited response, and no strong majority for making the change. A moderator on Native can't remove an Owner or promote.
	<br)		<br>

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	We started seeing this warning on Mod Tools:-		We started seeing this warning on Mod Tools:-
	‘Some pages are not being pre-rendered. This may affect Google search results. Please make sure the Geeks are aware.’		‘Some pages are not being pre-rendered. This may affect Google search results. Please make sure the Geeks are aware.’
	Our website is a single-page application. When you go to the site all our Javascript code is loaded, and then it updates what you see automatically. This puts less load on the servers and makes things feel quicker. Search engines fetch various links from our site too, and most of them (except probably Google) won't run our code, they just index the HTML . So for the main pages, and individual groups, things that you can see when you're not logged in - we have a job that regularly fetches them as though it was a browser, and stores what it fetched. That's "pre-rendering", which is a term made up. So if you're logged out, we will serve the prerender copy up first (so it can be indexed) then load the code and update it. That's why if you're logged out and you visit a page, you'll see it load, then flicker (and maybe change a bit) This check is a warning that it's not keeping up.~~<br)~~		Our website is a single-page application. When you go to the site all our Javascript code is loaded, and then it updates what you see automatically. This puts less load on the servers and makes things feel quicker. Search engines fetch various links from our site too, and most of them (except probably Google) won't run our code, they just index the HTML . So for the main pages, and individual groups, things that you can see when you're not logged in - we have a job that regularly fetches them as though it was a browser, and stores what it fetched. That's "pre-rendering", which is a term made up. So if you're logged out, we will serve the prerender copy up first (so it can be indexed) then load the code and update it. That's why if you're logged out and you visit a page, you'll see it load, then flicker (and maybe change a bit) This check is a warning that it's not keeping up.
	Q. I noticed a few days ago that a group had disappeared from my list, all of the others are OK. Is there anything that I can do ~~a href="$settingsurl">Settings</a>~~<br)		Q, I noticed a few days ago that a group had disappeared from my list, all of the others are OK. Is there anything that I can do?<br)
	A Check you are still a mod on the Yahoo group, and that you are logged into modtools with the same email. If so synch the membership list. If this does not work and there is no one to promote you then ask Edward.~~<br)~~
			A Check you are still a mod on the Yahoo group, and that you are logged into modtools with the same email. If so synch the membership list. If this does not work and there is no one to promote you then ask Edward.
	Q. Could we have a figure for total group members under ‘Approve Members’ ?<br)		Q. Could we have a figure for total group members under ‘Approve Members’ ?<br)
	A Yes I will add that.<br)		A Yes I will add that.<br)
	Q. I would like a combined total of members. They are good numbers to quote in publicity or interviews also numbers do show how successful a group is.<br)		Q. I would like a combined total of members. They are good numbers to quote in publicity or interviews also numbers do show how successful a group is. <br)
	A Not really this would not be a true reflection. We generally quote 2.6 million members, and the best measure of your group is the Activity or Weights graphs on the FD stats. The membership number is complicated. We used to add up all the Yahoo group memberships (the number of email addresses on the group). This double-counted, if you had two memberships, and if someone is on multiple groups, then they could be counted as many. We know people freegle on behalf of other people and as we have no way to measure that it would offset the extra members to some extent.		A Not really this would not be a true reflection. We generally quote 2.6 million members, and the best measure of your group is the Activity or Weights graphs on the FD stats. The membership number is complicated. We used to add up all the Yahoo group memberships (the number of email addresses on the group). This double-counted, if you had two memberships, and if someone is on multiple groups, then they could be counted as many. We know people freegle on behalf of other people and as we have no way to measure that it would offset the extra members to some extent.
	On FD the membership number for an individual group joins together different emails and counts them as one except if they also use Trashnothing, so is lower than the corresponding Yahoo group. <br)		On FD the membership number for an individual group joins together different emails and counts them as one except if they also use Trashnothing, so is lower than the corresponding Yahoo group. <br)
	Q. We have had a new moderator join us. As we are also still on Yahoo (but that will change!) I felt that it was useful to make her a moderator rather than an owner as the rest of us are. On ModTools, once someone is a moderator then they can do anything with a group and its members. On YahooGroups, a moderator can be given restricted permissions, eg, only to deal with messages/pending messages or only to deal with members/pending members. Could we restrict permissions on ModTools please? I checked and it could be done with some work. Is it something we would want?<br)		Q. We have had a new moderator join us. As we are also still on Yahoo (but that will change!) I felt that it was useful to make her a moderator rather than an owner as the rest of us are. On ModTools, once someone is a moderator then they can do anything with a group and its members. On YahooGroups, a moderator can be given restricted permissions, eg, only to deal with messages/pending messages or only to deal with members/pending members. Could we restrict permissions on ModTools please? I checked and it could be done with some work. Is it something we would want?<br)
	A It was a fairly limited response, and no strong majority for making the change. A moderator on Native can't remove an Owner or promote.<br)		A It was a fairly limited response, and no strong majority for making the change. A moderator on Native can't remove an Owner or promote.
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	Q Do monthly scheduled Yahoo file go out to Freegle Direct members? I ask because we have an abandoned group with a mod with limited privs unable to stop them going out. <br>		Q Do monthly scheduled Yahoo file go out to Freegle Direct members? I ask because we have an abandoned group with a mod with limited privs unable to stop them going out. <br>

	A No although mods may get them.<br>		A No although mods may get them.<br>